Catch

2 feet in dragged a toe reached for a first down, how was it not a catch

Bad call but Hoke blows the game by going for FG

FG was right call.

Why, they had stopped them cold on the last drive, punt and pin them deep, Wile has been anything but automatic

I agree FG was the right play Rutgers made a great play on that , but they pretty much got all the calls and breaks tonight

Good teams make breaks.

Bad teams,,,,,,, Well, we're a bad team.

Indifferent as to the FG attempt- had zero faith he would make it and Rutgers would have had time to come back in position for a game winning FG of their own. I would have gone for it but it wasn't an obvious call given the 11 yd to go.

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I don't even care about the blown call on the catch.

We should never be in a situation where we have to score on a late drive to beat Rutgers.

A backup quarterback should never throw for 400 yards against us.

This Michigan team should be underdogs in every single remaining game on the schedule, including at Northwestern and at home against IU.

does anyone know how much that one call cost Michigan. Probably no bowl bid now, lost 20 practices which thid group will surely need. God knows how many recruits.

I think these past two seasons are costing us recruits .... the disparity in talent level should not even had made that game close last night ... and there were plenty of blown calls that went against Rutgers as well .... our blown call was magnified because it was at the end of the game .... and we still might have missed a FG or Rutgers could have marched down the field and kicked a FG .... Michigan should not be relying on missed calls to beat Rutgers

umichfaninpa wrote:

2 feet in dragged a toe reached for a first down, how was it not a catch

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a rule in college football that you have to "complete the catch" in other words even with a foot inbounds and control of the ball going out of bounds if you subsequently drop the ball after hitting the ground you haven't "completed the catch"?

I believe he made an athletic move to get 1st down upon establishing 2 feet in bounds prior to dragging the toes

umichfaninpa wrote:

I believe he made an athletic move to get 1st down upon establishing 2 feet in bounds prior to dragging the toes

Yes, but didn't he drop the ball out of bounds after making the catch? Don't know if I'm remembering correctly.

Okay so you're saying it was a completed catch before he went out of bounds. Maybe thats where I'm confused.

Markwawf wrote:

Okay so you're saying it was a completed catch before he went out of bounds. Maybe thats where I'm confused.

The argument is that the catch was made/secured prior to him falling out of bounds, thus the ground caused the fumble (which isn't a fumble, per the rules).

It should've been ruled a catch and first down.

Admin wrote:

Markwawf wrote:

Okay so you're saying it was a completed catch before he went out of bounds. Maybe thats where I'm confused.

The argument is that the catch was made/secured prior to him falling out of bounds, thus the ground caused the fumble (which isn't a fumble, per the rules).

It should've been ruled a catch and first down.

That is how I looked at it, it seems the official closest to the play even called it a catch but another official from farther away said it was incomplete.

Admin wrote:

Markwawf wrote:

Okay so you're saying it was a completed catch before he went out of bounds. Maybe thats where I'm confused.

The argument is that the catch was made/secured prior to him falling out of bounds, thus the ground caused the fumble (which isn't a fumble, per the rules).

It should've been ruled a catch and first down.

From the NCAA rule book:

Article 3.  
a.  To catch a ball means that a player:
1. secures control of a live ball in flight with his hands or arms before the ball touches the ground, and  
2. touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then
3. maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball,  advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc., and
4. satisfies paragraphs b, c, and d below.
  
b. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone.  This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch.  If he regains control inbounds prior to the ball touching the ground it is a catch.
c. If the player loses control of the ball while simultaneously touching the ground with any part of his body, or if there is doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch.  If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of possession; he must lose control of the ball in order for there to be a loss of possession.
d. If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control and continues to maintain control, and the elements above are satisfied, it is a
catch.

They might have used 4b as the clincher in their mind....maybe??

Go Blue!!