Michigan basketball's new problem.

http://www.michigandaily.com/sports/michigan-basketballs-new-problem?page=0,0

Yep, and the further we go, the more likely our players are to bolt early, although we'll all take that tradeoff. I do think all the attrition, both early entries and transfers, is slowing the resurgence of the program to some degree. I personally am satisfied with where the program is at, but in my greedy moments imagine where we'd be if we had Morris and Burke for three years each. One positive I see going forward is I think we'll have more program players. Currently, of the non-NBA type players among upperclassmen, all we have is Jordan Morgan, but for the underclassmen, I think Horford, Levert, Bielfeldt, Albrecht and possibly Stauskas are four year players who will give us a lot more than guys like Vogrich and Mclimans.

wow just type a whole story and nothing. Got a Http error

with rgards to the NBA is a problem for both the players and the coach. I wish that the NBA would do something like the NFL does and not let them come out till after the Jr year, even Le Bra wasn't a super player until he was ready to leave Cleveland. Then there is the devopment league where a few end up that left early and Europe. Course the NBA isn't looking out for players just the cash.

I have to disagree with you about LeBron. He came in and averaged over 20 points a game as a 19 year old. Has he gotten better as he matured, yep, but most rookies will get better regardless of how long they stay. I have no problem with players leaving. In reality, the NBA should have never allowed one and done. If a kid wants to jump right out of HS and a team wants to draft him, then good for him.

Players that didn't jump out of HS stayed longer in college.

First of all that was a good link, thanks for posting that Bo.

Second I know the concept seems foreign but it seems like we've dealt with this stuff for years in the football world (most recently with Lewan) so I don't know why it would be so hard for us as fans to stomach if Robinson and Hardaway left.

Third I agree have agree with Fish, Lebron was NBA ready out of high school.

Lastly, I thought this sentence summed up the article really well and I hope the reality of the basketball culture and the NBA is something that the UM basketball nation came come to grips with because I fear that if/when Belien starts to really win and bring in the elite talent that "one-and-done" is something that will be happening on a consistent basis.

As Beilein is finding, there is a fine line between recruiting talent and recruiting the elite type of talent that will leave a program after a year.

I'll trade one and dones for winning every day. But, when you count on one and dones, sometimes you are going to get a season like Kentucky just had.

fishgoblue22 wrote:

I'll trade one and dones for winning every day. But, when you count on one and dones, sometimes you are going to get a season like Kentucky just had.

yep it seems very rare that a group made partly of or fully of one-and-done players can gain enough cohesion in such a short time that will allow them to overcome those tiniest mistakes that seem to cost teams year in and year out.

It's my opinion that, for the most part, teams in the elite eight and beyond are almost always equal talent-wise. It's those little things like always being on the same page or at least knowing each others mannerisms during a live game that set teams apart and allow them to survive and advance.

fishgoblue22 wrote:

I'll trade one and dones for winning every day. But, when you count on one and dones, sometimes you are going to get a season like Kentucky just had.

As we already know, 'fish and I disagree on this topic.

Let me complicate the scenario just a bit. Would you prefer for Michigan

1) Over a 12 year span making the tourney 9 times, 5 BT titles, two NCs, with all of your best payers being 1 and dones, your next best players being two and dones, and a smattering of 4 year role players (none at all conference level), or

2) 12 years, making the tourney 11 times, 3 BT titles, 1 serious shot at an NC (reaching the finals win or lose) an additional final 4, 3 elite 8s, and 4 more sweet 16s- so 9 of the 11 appearances sweet 16 or better.

These teams are made up of an occasional two and done, and handful of 3 and dones and some really good 4 year players including all conference types.

I far prefer #2 because I like seeing teams with continuity and guys who may have NBA dreams but realistically top out as really good college players with the occasional superstar thrown in.

Its hard for me to get behind players who never intend to go to more than one or two semesters of school (true one and dones don't have to really do anything winter semester do they?).

'shoes

Actually Shoes, those both sound really good to me .

yeah I may need to work on the examples a bit.

'shoes