Harbaugh extension

I’m for it to stabilize the program. If he’s still crapping out in two or three years, he can be dealt with then.

I'm for it.

Just get in top quality coaches and let them coach especially on offence... and develop the talent especially with the very good offensive recruits coming in this year .

Think Manuel should just cut bait. Harbaugh us always going to be subject to the NFL, this hurts recruiting, let him go and find a guy who is happy to be coaching in college, and still recruit

my thoughts


1. give him a highly incentivized contract
2. give him the money to hire a top notch DC
3. make the extension for no more than 3 years
4. make the buyout next to nothing

One possible problem for Michigan is the now open coaching job at NY Jets. There have been thoughts of Harbaugh wanting an NFL job, but I hope he will stay at Michigan for two or more years. With a new DC (and possibly a new OC) and delegating authority to him or them. I would love to see the enthusiasm from him that we see from Indiana and Minnesota, but maybe the team’s performance is causing disappointment.

Jimmy as good as gone NYJ and the Chargers both destinations he would like to go ! They will be bidding for James and he will go to the higher bidder. Probably San Diego who is the closest to winning it all.

Lol no way he goes to the Jets .... he wouldn’t last one day with the NY press !!!

BOLEACH7 wrote:

Lol no way he goes to the Jets .... he wouldn’t last one day with the NY press !!!

word is the 2 place he would leave Michigan for are the Jets and the Chargers , both looking for a coach. Although Chargers are the most attractive also the one that can get whom ever they want.

the artist formally known wrote:

Jimmy as good as gone NYJ and the Chargers both destinations he would like to go ! They will be bidding for James and he will go to the higher bidder. Probably San Diego who is the closest to winning it all.

Where are you hearing this?

he ain’t going anywhere

BOLEACH7 wrote:

he ain’t going anywhere

That's my thought. I'll admit, at first the initial anger and disbelief of the season really pissed me off. However after taking a step back and looking at it with a cooler head my thought is he isn't going anywhere.

I think he is as good as gone. only way he stays is if the NFL isn't buying his act.Which in a way would be great for Michigan and recruiting they would not be able to used that against him anymore. Recruits would nit have to worry about him jumping to the NFL which is a plot the opponets are always throwing at recruits

the artist formally known wrote:

Jimmy as good as gone NYJ and the Chargers both destinations he would like to go ! They will be bidding for James and he will go to the higher bidder. Probably San Diego who is the closest to winning it all.

The chargers seem like the best destination for him. They have some talent and they have a good young qb. Still, my money is on him staying.

But let's say he does go. Then who is Michigan's first call to replace him?

I said in an earlier post that I like Sarkisian but he's off the board. Matt Campbell would be the next best option because most would call him a sure fire candidate to be one of the next big coaches but I'd rather go for someone like Venable. Even though he doesn't have HC experience he is winning at the highest level with Clemson.

Do you really think Michigan would give a guy with no head coaching experience a shot. I don't think they would! the next coach unless it come from with in will have a pretty good pedigree , and have some head coaching jobs

the artist formally known wrote:

Do you really think Michigan would give a guy with no head coaching experience a shot. I don't think they would! the next coach unless it come from with in will have a pretty good pedigree , and have some head coaching jobs

every new head coach started without HC experience at one time but I understand that not all institutions are created equal. It's definitely easier to give a new guy a shot at a place like Memphis than it is at Michigan but I'd be remiss if I didn't remind you that Ryan Day had zero HC experience before he took over the reigns at O$U. Granted he was already on the staff and the university felt comfortable with him.

I'd like to think that Michigan would be willing to take a look at the entire coaching landscape and if a candidate with zero HC experience separates himself from the pack then they would be smart enough to offer him.

One thing you have to remember is that most large universities hire a team to come in and look at all the coaches available and present them with options and go over each candidate and allow the university to weigh the pros and cons of each coach. Some guys (even proven winners) just won't be a good fit. Others will be, even some of those without HC experience.

I think Venable would be a good HC. he's young and yet he still has 20 years of high profile coaching jobs under his belt with Okla and Clem. He's been on some really good coaching staffs. He's a good recruiter. He's a proven defensive minded coach and all of his players rave about him. But then again it's easy to like your coach when you're always winning ha ha.

the artist formally known wrote:

Do you really think Michigan would give a guy with no head coaching experience a shot. I don't think they would! the next coach unless it come from with in will have a pretty good pedigree , and have some head coaching jobs

Seriously? If that, along with a Michigan connection, are your requirements then you're talking specifically about Ron English. I'll pass...

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the artist formally known wrote:

Do you really think Michigan would give a guy with no head coaching experience a shot. I don't think they would! the next coach unless it come from with in will have a pretty good pedigree , and have some head coaching jobs

Seriously? If that, along with a Michigan connection, are your requirements then you're talking specifically about Ron English. I'll pass...[/quote

If Lloyd Carr had had his way in 2007 that’s exactly who we would have gotten

BOLEACH7 wrote:

Bo 2.0 wrote:

the artist formally known wrote:

Do you really think Michigan would give a guy with no head coaching experience a shot. I don't think they would! the next coach unless it come from with in will have a pretty good pedigree , and have some head coaching jobs

Seriously?  If that, along with a Michigan connection, are  your requirements then you're talking specifically about Ron English.  I'll pass...[/quote

If Lloyd Carr had  had his way in 2007 that’s exactly who we would have gotten

While I'm not thrilled with English, he would have been better that Rich Rod (mainly because he had the support of the Blue hairs). Additionally, English did not have any significant Head Coaching history in 2007. And I am stretching the criteria of significant D1 Head Coaching experience with Eastern.

Bo 2.0 wrote:

...While I'm not thrilled with English, he would have been better that Rich Rod (mainly because he had the support of the Blue hairs)...

I'm going to have to stop you right there.

In terms of the money support, yes he was a better fit. But in terms of Xs and Os and fielding a winning team RR is heads and shoulders above.

I still hate to sit and think about where Michigan would be today if they would've given him 1 more year. Hoke comes in and wins 11 games with RR's recruits. I think RR was the right guy at the wrong time. JMO

RR was head and shoulders above Ron English in terms of coaching pedigree... RR helped his own demise by not fixing the defense and being too confrontational ... and being sabotaged by a supposed Michigan man had him behind the eight ball from the get go

BOLEACH7 wrote:

RR was head and shoulders above Ron English in terms of coaching pedigree... RR helped his own demise by not fixing the defense and being too confrontational ... and being sabotaged by a supposed Michigan man had him behind the right ball from the get go

exactly... greg robinson didn't do RR any favors. ha ha

Rich Clod was an absolute slime ball though. He was an offensive genius with the right players though. When I first heard of the hire I was taken aback. RE hadn't been a Head Coach even at a D1 school yet, let alone one like Michigan. RE flopped at Eastern. Creighton doesn't have Eastern winning championships but they went to Bowl games 3 of the last 4 years. Prior to that run Eastern hadn't been to Bowl since 1986.

English wouldn't have done shit at Michigan.

It's no secret that I didn't like Rich Clod (not that I have any effect on the program) but yes he was better than English would have been. The hick from West Virginia's problem is that he didn't respect what Michigan football was.

I've also played the "What if" game regarding Rich Clod having one more year at Michigan. IMHO it wouldn't have been as good as Hoke's. Yes Hoke was in over his head, no argument there but he addressed the defensive side of the ball. Rich Clod didn't....

Bo 2.0 wrote:

...Rich Clod was an absolute slime ball though...

showed more class on his way out the door than most anyone would have. I have the utmost respect for the guy, especially after reading Bacon's books. JMO

Bo 2.0 wrote:

...I've also played the "What if" game regarding Rich Clod having one more year at Michigan.  IMHO it wouldn't have been as good as Hoke's.  Yes Hoke was in over his head, no argument there but he addressed the defensive side of the ball.  Rich Clod didn't....

I can't argue with this. But after the Miss St bowl rout you can't convince me that RR wouldn't have addressed the Defense and come back stronger the next year.

I’m sure that the Mealer family has nothing but great respect for RR

BOLEACH7 wrote:

I’m sure that the Mealer family has nothing but great respect for RR

Similar to the way The Proud Boys love trump...

Although yes even I respect what Rich Clod did for Brock. I was at that specific game too (not that it matters).

I was as well at the game with my son

So... net change is : Michigan replaces the DC.

somehow I think Michigan's problems run a lot deeper. But maybe its just not time to spend $$ on the buy out.

BOLEACH7 wrote:

I was as well at the game with my son

We were all there. we should have gotten together. It was a moving sight.