Green & Smith

Downhill running, hitting holes quicker and harder than fitz......makes a difference!

Too bad devin is screwing it up.

Agree

umichfaninpa wrote:

Downhill running, hitting holes quicker and harder than fitz......makes a difference!

Do you even watch the games? The problem all year has been the offensive line. No running back, and that includes Fitz AND Green would could run behind it. Green was averaging 2.9 yards per carry coming into this game. Green is running great, no doubt, but "hitting the holes quicker and harder" would not have worked in other games. No running style would.

CMU-
Green: 11 carries, 58 yards, 5.3 ypc
Fitz: 14 carries, 57 yards, 4.1 ypc

Notre Dame-
Green: 1 carry, -1 yard, -1 ypc
Fitz: 22 carries, 71 yards, 3.2 ypc

Akron-
Green: 1 carry, 3 yards, 3.0 ypc
Fitz: 19 carries, 71 yards, 3.7 ypc

UConn-
Green: 0 carries
Fitz: 24 carries, 120 yards, 5.0 ypc

Minnesota-
Green: 10 carries, 23 yards, 2.3 ypc
Fitz: 17 carries, 78 yards, 4.6 ypc

Penn St.-
Green: 3 carries, 1 yard, .3 ypc
Fitz: 27 carries, 27 yards, 1.0 ypc

Indiana-
Green: 6 carries, 21 yards, 3.5 ypc
Fitz: 32 carries, 151 yards, 4.7 ypc

Michigan St.-
Green: 0 carries
Fitz: 8 carries, 20 yards, 2.5 ypc

Nebraska-
Green: 8 carries, 11 yards, 1.4 ypc
Fitz: 9 carries, 6 yards, 0.7 ypc


"Hitting the hole harder" is nice, but it is irrelevant when defenders are getting into the backfield as you receive the hand-off (as they were in just about every game before today). Neither Green or Fitz are to blame for that.

Green and Smith ran hard today. Both looked better than Fitz all season.

I thought both Green and Smith played well. It is also true that the blocking was better and there was a little more room today than there had been.

'shoes

While I truly don't think that Fitz would have done any worse running today than the two freshman (though he deserved to be benched based on his pass blocking) it was exciting to see the two freshman get all the carries. Things have gotten so bad I've actually been worrying about players transferring or de-committing. At least those two should be happy for the time being and they both looked good today.

That's a good point jj.

On the runs where green was gaining 4-6 yds fitz would have lost yards dancing around in the backfield. Both smith and green got to the line quicker and harder. I do watch the games and this is fact.

Hail, we thought you were dead!

jjabilene wrote:

While I truly don't think that Fitz would have done any worse running today than the two freshman (though he deserved to be benched based on his pass blocking) it was exciting to see the two freshman get all the carries. Things have gotten so bad I've actually been worrying about players transferring or de-committing. At least those two should be happy for the time being and they both looked good today.

+1

dwoody wrote:

Hail, we thought you were dead!

I had to come back because Gallon had a good game.

 

hailtoyourvictor wrote:

dwoody wrote:

Hail, we thought you were dead!

I had to come back because Gallon had a good game.

 

I'll be honest here...the second Gallon dropped that ball in the 2nd OT to win the game, you were the very first thought that popped up in my mind.  

As for Green and Smith, they both looked impressive last night from the stands.

Smith is built like an absolute truck. That's no Toussaint/Hayes looking back. You see this kid coming, and he's ready to run your ass right over. Looked great on that long run, but on most others as well. Average over 5 yards a carry.

And did you see the Lewan quote after the game? He essentially said it was nice to have a RB run downhill finally.

Makes a huge difference for the line, a lot tougher when the back is dancing around in the backfield.

Admin wrote:

As for Green and Smith, they both looked impressive last night from the stands.

Smith is built like an absolute truck. That's no Toussaint/Hayes looking back. You see this kid coming, and he's ready to run your ass right over. Looked great on that long run, but on most others as well. Average over 5 yards a carry.

And did you see the Lewan quote after the game? He essentially said it was nice to have a RB run downhill finally.

And did you see the Lewan quote after the game? He essentially said it was nice to have a RB run downhill finally.

+5

Go Blue!!

Admin wrote:

hailtoyourvictor wrote:

dwoody wrote:

Hail, we thought you were dead!

I had to come back because Gallon had a good game.

 

I'll be honest here...the second Gallon dropped that ball in the 2nd OT to win the game, you were the very first thought that popped up in my mind.  

Was I also your first thought the times Gallon has put this team on his shoulders?

Nope.

I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's as good as you try to make him out to be. He may end up in top 10 ranks in Michigan history with grabs, yards, etc...but most long-time fans of this program know he's not truly in the Top 10 of all-time Michigan receivers.

Terrell
Braylon
Breaston
Avant
Walker
Howard
Toomer
Kolesar
Carter

...that's nine WR's I can name off the top of my head that were better WR's. And I know I'm forgetting a few. Some of them were victims of the times - Kolesar, Howard and Toomer, specifically, so their numbers may not match was Gallon does in his career, but talent-wise, they're no-brainers.

man I hate it when I post and they don'y get on. I wrotea whole paragraph on this and it never posted.

Admin wrote:

Terrell
Braylon
Breaston
Avant
Walker
Howard
Toomer
Kolesar
Carter

...that's nine WR's I can name off the top of my head that were better WR's. And I know I'm forgetting a few. Some of them were victims of the times - Kolesar, Howard and Toomer, specifically, so their numbers may not match was Gallon does in his career, but talent-wise, they're no-brainers.  

Are you shitting me?

Steve Breaston has Chad Henne and John Navarre (both much better passers than Denard and Gardner) throwing him the ball.

Steve Breaston-
Freshman year: 444 yards, 3 touchdowns, 11.7 yards per catch.
Sophomore year: 291 yards, 3 touchdowns, 8.6 yards per catch.
Junior year: 291 yards, 2 touchdowns, 11.2 yards per catch
Senior year: 670 yards, 2 touchdowns, 11.6 yards per catch

Jeremy Gallon-
Freshman year: 49 yards, 1 touchdown, 12.3 yards per catch
Sophomore year: 453 yards, 3 touchdowns, 14.6 yards per catch
Junior year: 829 yards, 4 touchdowns, 16.9 yards per catch
Senior year: 1,062 yards, 7 touchdowns, 16.3 yards per catch.

Jeremy Gallon is the only WR threat defenses have to worry about. Defenses key on Gallon where as Breaston benefited from defenses keying on Avant and Manningham. You should stop basing your opinions "off the top of your head" and put a little research into it.

Jeremy Gallon had more yards in one game with Gardner as his QB then Breaston had his entire Sophomore and Junior seasons with Henne as his QB.

Jeremy Gallon had 3 touchdowns vs Notre Dame with Gardner as his QB. Breaston had 2 touchdowns in both his entire Junior and Senior seasons.

It isn't even close, man. Wow.

Can we please try to be objective here?

Again, I've never said Gallon was great. I've said he was good and underrated. Here, again, is a tier ranking of Michigan WRs I posted before (some names were left off by my mistake).

Great Michigan WRs:
Desmond Howard
Braylon Edwards
Anthony Carter

Good Michigan WRs:
Mario Manningham
David Terrell
Amani Toomer
Marqise Walker
Jeremy Gallon

Average WRs
Jason Avant
Adrian Arrington
Junior Hemingway
Roy Roundtree
Tai Streets
Derrick Alexander

You're underrating Derrick Alexander and Jack Clancy belongs on the list. I like Gallon too.

'shoes

hail if Gallon doesn't send you his autographed jersey at the end of the season, you call me.

Braylon had some really good seasons and some great games but IMO he dropped too many passes including some at critical times to ranks with AC (my #1) or Desmond (my #2).

By the way Here are Jack Clancy's stats, keep in mind that we played fewer games per season and the passing game was not as refined:

Year Team G Rec. Yds Avg TDs

1965 Michigan 52 762 14.7 5
1966 Michigan 76 1077 14.2 4


From wiki
At Michigan, Clancy started as a quarterback, switched to halfback, returned punts and kickoffs, and became a star as an end. In two seasons as an end (1965–1966), Clancy rewrote the Michigan receiving record book. At the time of his graduation, he held the school records for most receptions and receiving yards in a career, season and game. His 1966 total of 197 receiving yards against Oregon State remained Michigan's single-game receiving record until November 6, 2010. He was named an All-American and also set the Big Ten Conference record for most receptions in a single season of conference play.

'shoes

Yeah, there are people missing from my list that deserve to be up there. I just think Gallon get's shafted.

Everyone admits that Denard was not a good passing QB.
Everyone admits that Gardner is struggling as a QB.
Everyone knows defenses haven't had to respect our run game.
Everyone knows there is no other legit WR threat on this team to give Gallon more 1on1 coverages.

Despite all of that, Gallon is putting together one of the single best seasons a Michigan WR has ever had. Give him his dues. He is good (not great).

There were so many weapons on those teams, Hail, it's hard for me to rag on Breaston's stats. You're also forgetting to add all Breaston's rushing stats on end-arounds, behind the LOS screens, etc.

In the end, stats are irrelevant. I still think he was a better playmaker than Gallon.

Again, I'm not dogging Gallon...I just don't think his rankings on the stat sheets are indicative of his true 'ranking' among the all-time Michigan greats. Is he Top 15-20? Yeah, probably.

Of all the other names you added, Manningham would be in that Top 10 before Gallon.

Admin wrote:

There were so many weapons on those teams, Hail, it's hard for me to rag on Breaston's stats. You're also forgetting to add all Breaston's rushing stats on end-arounds, behind the LOS screens, etc.

In the end, stats are irrelevant. I still think he was a better playmaker than Gallon.

Again, I'm not dogging Gallon...I just don't think his rankings on the stat sheets are indicative of his true 'ranking' among the all-time Michigan greats. Is he Top 15-20? Yeah, probably.

I'd say that if the stats blew my argument out of the water, too. The fact is that Gallon is putting up great numbers with sub-par Quarterbacks.

He is good. Also, I don't think his ranking on the stat sheets are indicative of his "true ranking" among the all-time Michigan greats.

After today's game, Gallon has moved to #4 all time in Michigan receiving yards. The only three receivers in Michigan history to have more yards than Gallon are Braylon Edwards, Anthony Carter, and Amani Toomer. Gallon is 113 yards away from having the 2nd best single season in Michigan history behind only Braylon Edwards.

Those two stats combined with the fact that he has done it with Denard and Gardner is incredibly impressive.

I don't think Gallon is a top 4 WR (as he will finish in the ranks), but I do think that he is a good WR and will play on Sundays.